PES 2014 – Omitted weather, teams and stadia

By graday Posted on in PES2014

PES EU Community Manager, Adam Bhatti, has returned to his old stomping ground within the PES community, the WENB forums, to share some news about rain not making it into the retail version of PES 2014 – and other omissions.

“Rain has not been implemented for 2014 as we had to overhaul the whole game and build it from scratch. While implementing rainy weather itself is fairly feasible, we need to think through of how its effect shows through in gameplay. This includes the pitch becoming slippery, ball bouncing, some elements to make the team used to that climate somewhat more power in terms of balance.

We are going to try further this year to get the elements sorted and have them implemented for 2015.

As for the kits getting dirty, this triggers on multiple requirements, often to do with the player contacting the ground.”
– He went on to mention that there has been a significant reduction in the number licensed stadia – with numbers now down nearer the 20 mark, something that has happened as a direct result of EA being “extremely aggressive with signing deals with clubs and leagues this year”. The particular loss is the entire Spanish league – all of which were licenced in PES 2013. Not one Spanish stadium will be in PES 2014.

– That was also compounded by the fact that there will also be no stadium editor in PES 2014 too.

– Also, a few of the other European teams haven’t made it into the final game too (details are still TBA).

I urge you to read his full post though – and notice his choice of location for his piece. He clearly speaks like a man that has felt personal pain as a result of this news and has chosen a place where he can share it on an equally personal level. A place where he can interact with the community directly.

What we can take away from all of this though is that we have a community voice; someone that wants to be open, honest and frank with the PES community. We have never had that before. How many of you (particularly those that have been on the forums for more than 2 years) have said the worst part about Konami’s relationship with the fans was the silence? The lack of information? Well, we have it – and not just about the easily marketable things too. Having a dedicated Community Manager for the brand, I think, is a huge step forward (even with this example being based on a negative reveal).

When all is said and done… The one thing (other than Top Flight licences) that is always asked for from the PESFan community is a football game that plays superbly. Just take a look at the impressions rolling out on Twitter from the fast-acting few that managed to get their hands on the demo-that-never-was earlier today, and it seems like business on the pitch is finally hitting the sweet spot… And that is an unfinished code.

It’s nice for immersion and realism to have 60+ stadia, extra licences teams etc. – but if we have the best game of football that the series has seen to date, does that really matter?

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  • g2bam's Avatar
    g2bam
    28th August 2013 at 10:24pm

    I'm glad I know all this today and not find out the hard way on launch day.

    I have no sympathy or understanding for any of these issues. I can understand the loss of licensed stadia, nothing can be done there if EA have stumped up and bagged em all, but to remove the stadium editor as well for no good reason is not excusable or acceptable given the former.

    As for weather, who would expect a sports simulation game that is played largely in winter months world-wide in 2013 on a very high spec console, which PS3 and the X-Box 360 still are, would not have simulated weather, this is just complete laziness, carelessness and stupidity by Konami.

    This is/was a crucial year for our beloved Pes and instead of the advancements we were all expecting, they have taken even more out than they put in. I say crucial because of their decision to also remain in this gen and not go to the next, this was placing me in a decision scenario where I had to decide to stay PS3 and Pes and upgrade later in 2014 ready for both Pes & Fifa 15 on PS4.

    Now because of today's revelation I will have to skip this Pes and go to next gen at launch and get Fifa with their new engine, stadiums, weather & licenses.

    Shame as I was rather looking forward to this new game, but I am not in the 'game play only' camp, I expect a fair bit more in a 2013 game than what we're now being offered.

  • Mr. Fitz's Avatar
    Mr. Fitz
    28th August 2013 at 11:05pm

    Smart move from EA, about 50% of their fans (mostly young) couldn't care if the players were stickmen as long as the licensing is good. Guaranteed sales.

  • Brendever's Avatar
    Brendever
    28th August 2013 at 11:11pm

    What? No rain? Not that it bothers me as I'm not planning on buying PES, but that's absolutely ludicrous.

  • DukeGuy's Avatar
    DukeGuy
    28th August 2013 at 11:56pm

    You all just realize that editing isn't just a capability issue. EA have repeatedly stopped Konami from having a full editing suite because it infringes on their licenses. As in, what's the point in paying all that money for them when the competitor puts a game out that allows the users to recreate the licensed material.

    Sent from my GT-I9505G using Tapatalk 4

  • BerbasNo1Fan's Avatar
    BerbasNo1Fan
    28th August 2013 at 11:58pm

    Annnnnd I've gone from 100% getting this game to about 50%, as mentioned above I'm glad I didn't have to find out the hard way


    I was planning to give pes one more chance this year after not buying it for the first time ever last year and leave fifa until ps4 but will have to reconsider


    The demo will decide if I get it or not

  • Cfc_chris's Avatar
    Cfc_chris
    29th August 2013 at 12:02am

    Tbh the rain thing as ludicrous as it is for it not to be there doesn't bother me too much. The loss of the stadium editor is more of a bother especially with the lack of stadiums and also with Konami recently announcing stadiums that are pre order bonus. Hopefully the kit editing and the two editable leagues are still up to scratch.

  • Texas Ace's Avatar
    Texas Ace
    29th August 2013 at 2:45am

    I really hate companies like EA and Microsoft that just buy everything as opposed to actually trying to make the best product possible.

    You know what the saddest part is about them taking away all of the stadiums from La Liga? It's that they aren't going to even use them all. I don't recall any other game ever implementing an entire league's stadium list like PES did with La Liga's last year.

    So instead of putting in the work and doing it for Fifa, I'm willing to bet we won't see more than 5 La Liga stadiums because that's the typical lazy way of doing things that EA is known for.

    EA has no excuse to not have a game with no less than 50 REAL stadiums in it. If you're going to buy the rights, then at least use them.

  • Texas Ace's Avatar
    Texas Ace
    29th August 2013 at 2:46am

    Originally Posted by DukeGuy
    You all just realize that editing isn't just a capability issue. EA have repeatedly stopped Konami from having a full editing suite because it infringes on their licenses. As in, what's the point in paying all that money for them when the competitor puts a game out that allows the users to recreate the licensed material.

    Sent from my GT-I9505G using Tapatalk 4
    Correct.

    And if they do eventually find a way to eliminate the editing features from PES or even cut them down significantly to where the talented mods can't create the option files that we've grown accustomed to, then it will pretty much kill off PES.

  • Brendever's Avatar
    Brendever
    29th August 2013 at 2:54am

    That's business though, of course one company will try to make the other game less attractive to their common target buyer.

  • 99doogs's Avatar
    99doogs
    29th August 2013 at 2:59am

    whatever I don't really care, we have no spanish stadiums before and I was fine with it, same with stadium editor. The positives far outweigh the negatives for me. Im stil really excited, also something is that apparently there will be a DLC with all of the Argentinian Stadiums

  • Brendever's Avatar
    Brendever
    29th August 2013 at 3:06am

    Originally Posted by 99doogs
    whatever I don't really care, we have no spanish stadiums before and I was fine with it, same with stadium editor. The positives far outweigh the negatives for me. Im stil really excited, also something is that apparently there will be a DLC with all of the Argentinian Stadiums
    But, to be fair, the only PES feature you only really care about is the Colombian League

  • 99doogs's Avatar
    99doogs
    29th August 2013 at 3:09am

    Originally Posted by Brendever
    But, to be fair, the only PES feature you only really care about is the Colombian League :P
    I know your being sarcastic/trolling. But no, the only PES feature I care about is the edit mode. I can just create the league there

  • Texas Ace's Avatar
    Texas Ace
    29th August 2013 at 3:19am

    Originally Posted by Brendever
    That's business though, of course one company will try to make the other game less attractive to their common target buyer.
    I understand it, but I don't like it.

    I miss the days when sports games had good, healthy competition and we as gamers benefited from having quality games to choose from.

    Now, instead of trying to actually make the game better, it's just about buying exclusivity and then not doing a whole lot with it.

  • eoghandel's Avatar
    eoghandel
    29th August 2013 at 3:40am

    Another couple of nails in the coffin.The excuse for no weather conditions is just laughable,FOX Engine?Last year was the first time since ISS way back when that I didn't buy PES because of ommitting League Mode.2014 no buy again by the looks of things.
    So now we lost Camp Neu,Bernabu,Messtella etc etc and nothing to replace them(sorry some Saudi Stadium and a couple of South American).
    No Stadium editor is just pure laziness and will further accelerate the death of the Series.
    Wonder how many more nasty surprises await before release,maybe no English commentary and we will have to use our al jazara friends to do the Manchester Derby.
    After the return of League Mode I preorded 2014 last week,just cancelled it.
    Another year and no football game,tried to like Fifa for over 15 years buy never will,cartoon football.
    Pes 2015 next gen will fail ala 2008.
    EA hasn't destroyed PES,Konami has.

  • DS 37's Avatar
    DS 37
    29th August 2013 at 8:23am

    Originally Posted by Mr. Fitz
    Smart move from EA, about 50% of their fans (mostly young) couldn't care if the players were stickmen as long as the licensing is good. Guaranteed sales.
    Sad but very true Im afraid.
    I wasnt bothered about the licences,but this is a bit of a kick in the danglies.
    The EA machine rolls on.
    Why dont Konami just dust themselves off,and move on from this?Ok so EA are squeezing them all the way with the licences,but Konami could just solely concentrate on realism,and by that I mean real weather,wind,rain etc.They could have concentrated on muddier pitches as the season goes on,more vibrant,realistic crowds.And bottom line,better AI.
    Leave the licenses to EA sports.
    But instead,we get the news that they arent even gonny go there !!
    Sounds a bit like they are chucking in the towel.

  • DS 37's Avatar
    DS 37
    29th August 2013 at 8:31am

    Another thing:if they cant get licences because of EA,and are going to limit editing capabilities,why dont they at least make the names,kits and badges of the made up teams half decent? Squazzola?Aquitane etc?
    Could they not come up with something a bit slicker than that?
    Use the imagination a bit.
    It looks like about 2 seconds thought goes into all that kind of stuff.

  • danielrh's Avatar
    danielrh
    29th August 2013 at 10:17am

    Originally Posted by DukeGuy
    You all just realize that editing isn't just a capability issue. EA have repeatedly stopped Konami from having a full editing suite because it infringes on their licenses. As in, what's the point in paying all that money for them when the competitor puts a game out that allows the users to recreate the licensed material.

    Sent from my GT-I9505G using Tapatalk 4
    True - but the main point for me is having a great game to play ........when it comes to the football on the pitch nobody does it better than PES.

  • Cantona's Avatar
    Cantona
    29th August 2013 at 10:19am

    I don't particularly mind a loss of licences as long as there are enough logo/kit/stadium slots to be able to fix it. As long as the gameplay is good and it has the level of playability of the PS2 PES games I will be happy.

  • wormholewizards's Avatar
    wormholewizards
    29th August 2013 at 10:44am

    I don't mind stadium, but really those full Spanish league stadia in PES 2013 were beautiful. Everything was replicated inch-perfect including the shadow and lighting. Gonna miss those tbh.

  • mezz2009's Avatar
    mezz2009
    29th August 2013 at 10:45am

    This is not the best news. I have no got a PES game since 2010. Left for FIFA, but always hang around the forums (although I don't really post) watching Pro every year with a close eye to see if it will ever re-gain its spark that it had back on the PS2. But this year I am getting 2014, mainly because I am being sent a copy by Konami for a PES party and mainly because of the new engine.

    No spanish stadiums don't really bother me. When your playing I am only looking at a pitch. Stadium editor is a dissapointment but people have to remember that they have built the game from scratch on a new engine. So everything has to be re-coded from the start so features like stadium editor I am sure will be back in the future. I actually prefer peoples fantastic work on option files to some of the kits you see on FIFA.

    End of the day it sucks, but Konami are backed into a corner by EA. EA should be the ones we blame for taking away a competative market.

  • Nacho10's Avatar
    Nacho10
    29th August 2013 at 11:03am

    Originally Posted by Texas Ace
    I really hate companies like EA and Microsoft that just buy everything as opposed to actually trying to make the best product possible.

    You know what the saddest part is about them taking away all of the stadiums from La Liga? It's that they aren't going to even use them all. I don't recall any other game ever implementing an entire league's stadium list like PES did with La Liga's last year.

    So instead of putting in the work and doing it for Fifa, I'm willing to bet we won't see more than 5 La Liga stadiums because that's the typical lazy way of doing things that EA is known for.

    EA has no excuse to not have a game with no less than 50 REAL stadiums in it. If you're going to buy the rights, then at least use them.
    You know if I was a Russian oilgarch I'd buy Konami and moneyhat EA out of existence by buying all those licences for crazy money... sweet revenge.

  • zocky6's Avatar
    zocky6
    29th August 2013 at 11:48am

    I am sure there is going to be stadiums more than i need so its not a game braker for me...one good option file to correct team licences and i am going to be happy...rain?...well i am going to miss this feature but i am playing with my friends on "fine weather"...so this is not going to affect my decision to buy PES again...hope game play is a killer...waiting for the demo ....

  • ZanyBooch's Avatar
    ZanyBooch
    29th August 2013 at 12:31pm

    Damn why not Konami just give good editor, with big database to let players to make changes. Licenses doesnt matter after that.

    Please people. Vote it!!! http://forums.pesfan.com/showthread....ms-and-players

  • 99doogs's Avatar
    99doogs
    29th August 2013 at 2:35pm

    people freaking about Rain and Stadiums seriously im still excited to manage a national team, switch clubs, play a South American ML with full argentinian stadiums, and starting a BaL in All Boys

  • DukeGuy's Avatar
    DukeGuy
    29th August 2013 at 3:35pm

    Originally Posted by ZanyBooch
    Damn why not Konami just give good editor, with big database to let players to make changes. Licenses doesnt matter after that.

    Please people. Vote it!!! http://forums.pesfan.com/showthread....ms-and-players
    I already told you why not - because allowing complete editing infringes the license agreements that EA have paid big money for.

  • Nacho10's Avatar
    Nacho10
    29th August 2013 at 3:48pm

    Originally Posted by DukeGuy
    I already told you why not - because allowing complete editing infringes the license agreements that EA have paid big money for.
    They don't seemed too fussed about infringing other licences with their own Creation Centre...

  • DukeGuy's Avatar
    DukeGuy
    29th August 2013 at 4:07pm

    Originally Posted by Nacho10
    They don't seemed too fussed about infringing other licences with their own Creation Centre...
    EA actively stop Konami from making the edit options too good, claiming license infringements. Obviously, no one is doing the same to them

  • wormholewizards's Avatar
    wormholewizards
    29th August 2013 at 4:27pm

    These day plenty of major company always have reputable law firm working 24/7 to negotiate possible deal and finding any loophole just to stop the level playing field. Konami is a big company itself, but obviously they don't have the financial prowess of EA just to focus on this area only.

    So i agree with the sentiment of this petition creator,

    http://www.change.org/petitions/stop...tion-softwares

    Not just football, but i dislike the practice of license monopolizing in any sports title. 20 years ago, the competition in sports genre was more level. Publisher, developer aiming for the best possible gameplay and QA. That's no longer the case today.

  • ZanyBooch's Avatar
    ZanyBooch
    29th August 2013 at 4:43pm

    Originally Posted by DukeGuy
    I already told you why not - because allowing complete editing infringes the license agreements that EA have paid big money for.
    I dont know what EAs licenses include exactly, but sounds pretty weird if they can control other games editor with that too. U got better facts from that?

  • DukeGuy's Avatar
    DukeGuy
    29th August 2013 at 5:23pm

    Originally Posted by ZanyBooch
    I dont know what EAs licenses include exactly, but sounds pretty weird if they can control other games editor with that too. U got better facts from that?
    This is what happened. EA paid for all that lovely licensing. Konami simply added a bigger editing suite. Sites all over the world started popping up (much like this one) and users were sharing option files in order to give PES all the correct kits/names/players etc.etc.

    EA got mad. Somehow, around the same time - so did the FA. Shortly after, all Premiership material on this site (and others) were removed. Konami still have the editing option available, but have to make restrictions on slots and suchlike in order to continue doing that, as they are claiming that users create their own content - rather than steal copyright and licensed images.

    If EA can prove that Konami add the editing so that the users can recreate the licensed data, then that's clearly an infringement on the licenses, hence the reason why the editing is limited and has a certain amount of data slots.

    To put it into an analogy, it's like aiding and abetting in a crime. Sure, Konami didn't commit the crime - but they provided the tools specifically designed to carry it out. Remember, every single time you recreate a kit, you are infringing a copyright and are liable to legal action. The reasons that you don't get your collar felt is that you are small-fry and because you aren't making any money on it. Konami aren't and they do.

    A few years ago, when the FA banned premiership content - I personally emailed all the premiership teams sponsors (because the teams can't copyright the colors/pattern of a shirt, but without the advert logos, it doesn't look like a shirt) and asked for permission to use their logo in my option file that I would then distribute for free. Most got back to me and most said, 'go ahead' - one of them even asked for the option file for their own PES when it was complete. But some gave a flat-out 'no' unless I was willing to pay for it. So, this went nowhere in the end. This little story should just highlight that it's not quiet as simple as you think, there are many companies, most very big companies, that do not want people creating their logos and using them without permission. They are all tied in with the Premiership and other leagues, which have an exclusive license with EA. Every time someone circumvents the purchase of the game that's licensed as they can buy another game and make it look the same, all of the invested companies lose money. And that's not in their interest at all.

    I hope that clears it up.

  • ZanyBooch's Avatar
    ZanyBooch
    29th August 2013 at 6:37pm

    Originally Posted by DukeGuy
    This is what happened. EA paid for all that lovely licensing. Konami simply added a bigger editing suite. Sites all over the world started popping up (much like this one) and users were sharing option files in order to give PES all the correct kits/names/players etc.etc.

    EA got mad. Somehow, around the same time - so did the FA. Shortly after, all Premiership material on this site (and others) were removed. Konami still have the editing option available, but have to make restrictions on slots and suchlike in order to continue doing that, as they are claiming that users create their own content - rather than steal copyright and licensed images.

    If EA can prove that Konami add the editing so that the users can recreate the licensed data, then that's clearly an infringement on the licenses, hence the reason why the editing is limited and has a certain amount of data slots.

    To put it into an analogy, it's like aiding and abetting in a crime. Sure, Konami didn't commit the crime - but they provided the tools specifically designed to carry it out. Remember, every single time you recreate a kit, you are infringing a copyright and are liable to legal action. The reasons that you don't get your collar felt is that you are small-fry and because you aren't making any money on it. Konami aren't and they do.

    A few years ago, when the FA banned premiership content - I personally emailed all the premiership teams sponsors (because the teams can't copyright the colors/pattern of a shirt, but without the advert logos, it doesn't look like a shirt) and asked for permission to use their logo in my option file that I would then distribute for free. Most got back to me and most said, 'go ahead' - one of them even asked for the option file for their own PES when it was complete. But some gave a flat-out 'no' unless I was willing to pay for it. So, this went nowhere in the end. This little story should just highlight that it's not quiet as simple as you think, there are many companies, most very big companies, that do not want people creating their logos and using them without permission. They are all tied in with the Premiership and other leagues, which have an exclusive license with EA. Every time someone circumvents the purchase of the game that's licensed as they can buy another game and make it look the same, all of the invested companies lose money. And that's not in their interest at all.

    I hope that clears it up.
    Yes thanks, makes sense but sounds so fckng ridiculous at the same time. Do you know what those limits are exactly? What if they just make the editor, but make it impossible to share with others? Just like everyone build their own things how they want it to be. Just for himself. Thats little harder to prove broke any licenses or copyrights.. Thats hell of a job to do by self, but with good editor worth it i quess.

  • DukeGuy's Avatar
    DukeGuy
    29th August 2013 at 6:39pm

    Originally Posted by ZanyBooch
    Yes thanks, makes sense but sounds so fckng ridiculous at the same time. Do you know what those limits are exactly? What if they just make the editor, but make it impossible to share with others? Just like everyone build their own things how they want it to be. Just for himself. Thats little harder to prove broke any licenses or copyrights.. Thats hell of a job to do by self, but with good editor worth it i quess.

    I don't know the intricacies of it, sorry - I just know that it's not all Konami's fault.

  • Dee's Avatar
    Dee
    29th August 2013 at 6:47pm

    I hear you Duke but EA would find it very difficult to prove any wrongdoing on Konami's part. If Konami just went hell for leather and provided a plethora of tools, no doubt EA and co., would flap their gums but when the tools are capable of creating non-copyrighted kits, logos etc., then I would imagine EA would have a long, expensive and I'd say ultimately futile fight legally to have Konami remove their tools.

    This is me saying this......I'm sure Konami have had legal advice from experts so I'll hold my hands up and say despite my feelings I am most probably incorrect. I'm sticking to my guns though and would love Konami to tell EA to shut up - editing tools can be for anything so they must prove that copyrights are being infringed. Easier said than done although OF's may have to be traded down a dark alley

  • ZanyBooch's Avatar
    ZanyBooch
    29th August 2013 at 7:03pm

    Originally Posted by DukeGuy
    I don't know the intricacies of it, sorry - I just know that it's not all Konami's fault.
    Ok. Just hope that they got the some way to handle that. But if database is large enough i can imagine to play with that too, without any licenses. Like football manager got players, if they got the same size even with fictional names, i can use to it. To me its better to got 50.000 fictional players in 2000 fictional clubs, rather than 400 real players and 100 real clubs. Some freak way it may be even funnier to play with those. IMO in this case size matters. In that supposition that the gameplay is that brilliant, what u can truly expect to PES to be..

  • ZanyBooch's Avatar
    ZanyBooch
    29th August 2013 at 7:06pm

    Originally Posted by Dee
    I hear you Duke but EA would find it very difficult to prove any wrongdoing on Konami's part. If Konami just went hell for leather and provided a plethora of tools, no doubt EA and co., would flap their gums but when the tools are capable of creating non-copyrighted kits, logos etc., then I would imagine EA would have a long, expensive and I'd say ultimately futile fight legally to have Konami remove their tools.

    This is me saying this......I'm sure Konami have had legal advice from experts so I'll hold my hands up and say despite my feelings I am most probably incorrect. I'm sticking to my guns though and would love Konami to tell EA to shut up - editing tools can be for anything so they must prove that copyrights are being infringed. Easier said than done although OF's may have to be traded down a dark alley
    I think that what if Konami just left some kind of "hole" to hackers to break in to that database? Its not Konami´s fault if some bad people do that, i quess..

  • Dee's Avatar
    Dee
    29th August 2013 at 7:14pm

    Originally Posted by ZanyBooch
    I think that what if Konami just left some kind of "hole" to hackers to break in to that database? Its not Konami´s fault if some bad people do that, i quess..

  • Titch's Avatar
    Titch
    29th August 2013 at 8:06pm

    Originally Posted by ZanyBooch
    Ok. Just hope that they got the some way to handle that. But if database is large enough i can imagine to play with that too, without any licenses. Like football manager got players, if they got the same size even with fictional names, i can use to it. To me its better to got 50.000 fictional players in 2000 fictional clubs, rather than 400 real players and 100 real clubs. Some freak way it may be even funnier to play with those. IMO in this case size matters. In that supposition that the gameplay is that brilliant, what u can truly expect to PES to be..
    I would love that. I do believe we have been spoiled by Konami in recent years. Remember when the game had no licensing and no editing? Yet it was still a great game. I think PES needs a new lease of life, maybe come from a different angle, give it something unique and exciting.

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    isitasexyfox
    29th August 2013 at 8:36pm

    EA have exclusive rights to rain this year?

    This is just atrocious, Konami you have really run out of excuses.

  • wormholewizards's Avatar
    wormholewizards
    29th August 2013 at 8:42pm

    Originally Posted by DukeGuy
    This is what happened. EA paid for all that lovely licensing. Konami simply added a bigger editing suite. Sites all over the world started popping up (much like this one) and users were sharing option files in order to give PES all the correct kits/names/players etc.etc.

    EA got mad. Somehow, around the same time - so did the FA. Shortly after, all Premiership material on this site (and others) were removed. Konami still have the editing option available, but have to make restrictions on slots and suchlike in order to continue doing that, as they are claiming that users create their own content - rather than steal copyright and licensed images.

    If EA can prove that Konami add the editing so that the users can recreate the licensed data, then that's clearly an infringement on the licenses, hence the reason why the editing is limited and has a certain amount of data slots.

    To put it into an analogy, it's like aiding and abetting in a crime. Sure, Konami didn't commit the crime - but they provided the tools specifically designed to carry it out. Remember, every single time you recreate a kit, you are infringing a copyright and are liable to legal action. The reasons that you don't get your collar felt is that you are small-fry and because you aren't making any money on it. Konami aren't and they do.

    A few years ago, when the FA banned premiership content - I personally emailed all the premiership teams sponsors (because the teams can't copyright the colors/pattern of a shirt, but without the advert logos, it doesn't look like a shirt) and asked for permission to use their logo in my option file that I would then distribute for free. Most got back to me and most said, 'go ahead' - one of them even asked for the option file for their own PES when it was complete. But some gave a flat-out 'no' unless I was willing to pay for it. So, this went nowhere in the end. This little story should just highlight that it's not quiet as simple as you think, there are many companies, most very big companies, that do not want people creating their logos and using them without permission. They are all tied in with the Premiership and other leagues, which have an exclusive license with EA. Every time someone circumvents the purchase of the game that's licensed as they can buy another game and make it look the same, all of the invested companies lose money. And that's not in their interest at all.

    I hope that clears it up.
    Thanks for the revelation. Although this is not a direct answer for the lack of stadium editor, at least it open some perspective to the public, the situation is not as black and white as they always assume.

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    TommyBarrs
    29th August 2013 at 8:43pm

    Weather is not a big deal, it would of been a lovely touch but oh well. Stadium edit for me was poor on the xbox 360 i think it needed to be worked on so for me it's not a big deal. i know with the pc version you could get real stadiums and all that, so i can understand why a lot of PES fans are a bit pee'd off.

    Maybe with things being removed maybe Konami have worked on things a bit more in other departments. I love ML-Offline so i really hope a lot of work has been put in to that, even a multiplayer ML-Offline would be a great feature :-)

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    oloooo
    29th August 2013 at 8:57pm

    Thats it guys, the pes days are over, the demo is lame with stupid fast gameplay like no other pes game before, and it feels more like and fifa game from the demo, and now no rain or editor for stadium and the hole spanish league and stadiums are gone, wow this time fifa won i must say...

  • DS 37's Avatar
    DS 37
    29th August 2013 at 9:03pm

    Originally Posted by Titch
    I would love that. I do believe we have been spoiled by Konami in recent years. Remember when the game had no licensing and no editing? Yet it was still a great game. I think PES needs a new lease of life, maybe come from a different angle, give it something unique and exciting.
    Yeh my thoughts exactly mate.
    Im old enough to remember reading Roy of the Rovers as a kid.He played for a fictional team,Melchester Rovers,against other teams like Tyncaster City etc.It was all made up,but you still bought into it,as it was so well presented.
    Point im making is,why dont Konami just make up fictional teams,but make them so well presented with Nike,Adidas kits or whatever,that they look the business.Then have made up stadiums,but make them really look the part,and as for players,just do what they used to do(not sure if they still do?)with revamped classic players.Just make them slightly similar to real life,with slightly different names.
    Id be well happy with that.Surely EA couldnt do a thing about it.

  • ZanyBooch's Avatar
    ZanyBooch
    29th August 2013 at 9:10pm

    Originally Posted by Titch
    I would love that. I do believe we have been spoiled by Konami in recent years. Remember when the game had no licensing and no editing? Yet it was still a great game. I think PES needs a new lease of life, maybe come from a different angle, give it something unique and exciting.
    True. Just create their own world where u can be with your team, example like master league.. Huge database and fictional players in that with awesome gameplay. It sounds like a some kind of cartoon or wonderland. Make their own champion- and euroleagues (different name of course lol) and every other competition too in every fckn fictional country. That would be awesome to scout players from there and build your team. Just like civilization example. Every time you start the game, you cant know what is waiting for you. Every time team and player strengths are different. It may take a while if want to get bored with that. Pretty radical but if there is no options, this is worth to think.

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    ZanyBooch
    29th August 2013 at 9:26pm

    I take the some texts to this vote poll too. If you want to say your word, get there. If it will be big enough, maybe it will be noticed someday.


    http://forums.pesfan.com/showthread....ms-and-players

  • Texas Ace's Avatar
    Texas Ace
    30th August 2013 at 3:27am

    For anyone questioning whether the editing in PES has had some features removed or has been affected at all by EA, then this statement in the OP's original post should settle that:

    Adding to the licensing woah, Stadium editor has been removed. This, personally, is the biggest hit. I can't go into it, but this in particular has made the team realise more than ever about acquiring licensing, and we're determined to fight back in this regard next year. If things are removed from edit mode because of licensing each year, it would rip out the soul of PES, and we must not let that happen.

    It's pretty clear there that he is suggesting that edit mode is being affected due to licensing. And who is the company who signed all the licensing deals? EA.

    Dukey is spot on with what he said. PES is guilty of making mistakes, but editing changes is not one of them.

  • Texas Ace's Avatar
    Texas Ace
    30th August 2013 at 3:29am

    And it's no coincidence that FIFA finally shows Latin America more love in the same year that PES adds the Argentine and Chilean leagues.

    FIFA has never really showed us Latin Americans any kind of support. PES has always been the game that at least gave us something. From adding more Latin American national teams, to adding the Copa Libertadores and now the added leagues.

    FIFA definitely appeared to go all out this year with the intention of trying to kill off their competition once and for all. It may not happen, but EA was more aggressive with FIFA this year than they have ever been.

  • CultOfZurawski's Avatar
    CultOfZurawski
    30th August 2013 at 6:58am

    Originally Posted by Texas Ace
    For anyone questioning whether the editing in PES has had some features removed or has been affected at all by EA, then this statement in the OP's original post should settle that:




    It's pretty clear there that he is suggesting that edit mode is being affected due to licensing. And who is the company who signed all the licensing deals? EA.

    Dukey is spot on with what he said. PES is guilty of making mistakes, but editing changes is not one of them.

    I'm a little bit sceptical about the whole "EA are stopping PES users from making and sharing unlicensed material". EA has an entire Creation Centre website and FIFA facilitates the downloading of unlicensed material in-game, no option file required. It's flaky and lacking in features but I made the J-League with all the badges and corporate sponsors.

    I assume this will still be part of FIFA 14. I checked the Creation Centre this morning and this is all still freely available for any user to download to their console and play in FIFA 13. Now if EA are truly playing hardball with Konami, then surely they would do something about this image below. It's not some dark alley, it's not eBay, it's EA's own website! Sure they'll say they're not responsible but Konami would have a far stronger case than EA has.


  • DS 37's Avatar
    DS 37
    30th August 2013 at 8:02am

    Originally Posted by CultOfZurawski
    I'm a little bit sceptical about the whol "EA are stopping PES users from making and sharing unlicensed material". EA has an entire Creation Centre website and FIFA facilitates the downloading of unlicensed material in-game, no option file required. It's flaky and lacking in features but I made the J-League with all the badges and corporate sponsors.

    I assume this will still be part of FIFA 14. I checked the Creation Centre this morning and this is all still freely available for any user to download to their console and play in FIFA 13. Now if EA are truly playing hardball with Konami, then surely they would do something about this image below. It's not some dark alley, it's not eBay, it's EA's own website! Sure they'll say they're not responsible but Konami would have a far stronger case than EA has.


    Wow.I didny know about that one !
    So let me get this straight,you can DOWNLOAD stuff free from EA,and edit the game so you can play in the Champions League?
    Is that for real?!?!

  • CultOfZurawski's Avatar
    CultOfZurawski
    30th August 2013 at 9:14am

    Originally Posted by DS 37
    Wow.I didny know about that one !
    So let me get this straight,you can DOWNLOAD stuff free from EA,and edit the game so you can play in the Champions League?
    Is that for real?!?!
    It's user generated content... which EA are not responsible for etc. They do have an overly strong profanity filter for names but images solely licensed by other companies such as the CL, Europa, JFA, j-league etc? They care not a jot!

    All the Champions League images are .pngs that the user can upload to the Creation Centre from their home PC. Once it's on there, and FIFA is linked to your Creation Centre account, you can download created teams, players and tournaments from within FIFA on your console ( the CL is basically a tournament with teams in it ). Crucially, you can mark your created content as "shared". That means anybody can download it. From an EA website.

    It's for real. That CL logo that the user has uploaded will appear in game. It's actually quite cool and worked okay in FIFA 12, but the website is slow and flaky.

  • gooner4life's Avatar
    gooner4life
    30th August 2013 at 10:47am

    I was going to give PES a chance this year as I've pre-ordered an Xbox One and PS4 so thought it might bridge the gap until Fifa 14 on Xbox One, but I've decided against that now, how can they keep getting this stuff so wrong year after year?

  • g2bam's Avatar
    g2bam
    30th August 2013 at 11:17am

    The thing is, there's not even like a cloudy or overcast option its seemingly either night or full blown sunny day, just like we get here in the UK September - March and I don't think.

    On a more serious note though, I can't play more than 1 or 2 games at daylight settings as I have bad eyes and this affects me and makes my eyes water and my head sore. I am ok with night games and overcast/rainy/snow day time games, but for some reason the light seems very intense on the sunny days and the pitch seems to be lit from below at times rather than from above and I just can't seem to tollerate it. In Fifa its just as bad but with one notable exception, I can chooose the conditions before kick off in every game whether its a one off friendly or a tournament or manager mode match.

    Can't do that in PES other than for exhibition games, I would guess this version it will be the same, and I couldn't play a whole ML season or cup comp in all daytime sunny conditions, I would need to have the emergency ward standing by after an hour.

    So I am actually out of the loop for medical reasons even if I still wanted to purchase their half baked game this year anyway.

  • Dee's Avatar
    Dee
    30th August 2013 at 11:39am

    Forgot all about the creation centre that I have used and uploaded to on many occasions!!

    Absolutely spot on - how could EA complain about users edited data when their own setup blatantly disregards any copyrights!?!

  • Texas Ace's Avatar
    Texas Ace
    30th August 2013 at 2:42pm

    Originally Posted by CultOfZurawski
    I'm a little bit sceptical about the whole "EA are stopping PES users from making and sharing unlicensed material". EA has an entire Creation Centre website and FIFA facilitates the downloading of unlicensed material in-game, no option file required. It's flaky and lacking in features but I made the J-League with all the badges and corporate sponsors.

    I assume this will still be part of FIFA 14. I checked the Creation Centre this morning and this is all still freely available for any user to download to their console and play in FIFA 13. Now if EA are truly playing hardball with Konami, then surely they would do something about this image below. It's not some dark alley, it's not eBay, it's EA's own website! Sure they'll say they're not responsible but Konami would have a far stronger case than EA has.


    Wow.....this certainly would lead one to question why Konami aren't putting up a fight on their end.

  • stuarta's Avatar
    stuarta
    30th August 2013 at 5:50pm

    What a joke ! Bought FIFA 2013 last year to play online which was SUPPOSED to be much better than PES ! It crashes more than it plays. Got PES 2013 cheaper a few weeks later and have stuck with that ! Looked forward to PES 2014 with ALL THE BELLS AND WHISTLES PROMISED BY KONAMI ! Why do we fall for it EVERY year ? Now we are going to get LESS than we got last year ! Great. Surely I haven't got to get FIFA again ? PES's strength is its editing. Sorry WAS....

  • 99doogs's Avatar
    99doogs
    30th August 2013 at 5:52pm

    over a stadium editor?

  • stuarta's Avatar
    stuarta
    30th August 2013 at 7:03pm

    Also EA's copyright on the weather, it seems ! Where was all this tosh from Konami coming from ? Rain ? Kits getting muddy ? Etc.,etc. And the biggest joke is they weren't going to release 2014 on the new consoles as they didn't want to release a sub standard version ( like they did for the PS3, remember ). No, but a sub standard ps3 version will make everything right, OFCOURSE !

  • LWilson's Avatar
    LWilson
    30th August 2013 at 7:42pm

    Unfortunately, for some reasons that aren't their own fault, Konami can't produce a good enough game for consumers any more. Certainly not in my eyes. I've dodged the PES bullet for every year since PES 2011 (and only bought up to PES 2008 before that, I think). That's when I started playing FIFA.

    Whilst FIFA 13 had it's huge faults and stupid deductions from the previous game, and whilst EA are one of the most horrific examples of waving their big money balls around like they just don't care, the franchise that EA Sports has made is in my eyes an infinitely better play than PES has been since the days of the old numbered games. I bought PES 3-5 last year for cheap from That's Entertainment because I loved all them old games. Still play PES 6 every now and again because I loved Master League on it. The PS2 games were the best, and arguably still better games in some respects than those that FIFA are bringing out now.

    But that's going back what will soon be 2 console generations ago. PES hasn't aged well in my opinion and I've not seen anything to change my mind about that. Again, it isn't Konami's fault that the licenses and editing facilities that enhanced their product to no end have gone, but until they release a game that I find enjoyable to play again, I don't think I want to spend what little money I have on it ahead of FIFA.

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    oloooo
    30th August 2013 at 9:56pm

    Originally Posted by 99doogs
    over a stadium editor?
    Yes that, and all spanish teams and there stadiums gone plus no rain and of course the new fifa like to fast gameplay, so not only stadium editor.

  • Titch's Avatar
    Titch
    30th August 2013 at 10:46pm

    Originally Posted by DS 37
    Yeh my thoughts exactly mate.
    Im old enough to remember reading Roy of the Rovers as a kid.He played for a fictional team,Melchester Rovers,against other teams like Tyncaster City etc.It was all made up,but you still bought into it,as it was so well presented.
    Point im making is,why dont Konami just make up fictional teams,but make them so well presented with Nike,Adidas kits or whatever,that they look the business.Then have made up stadiums,but make them really look the part,and as for players,just do what they used to do(not sure if they still do?)with revamped classic players.Just make them slightly similar to real life,with slightly different names.
    Id be well happy with that.Surely EA couldnt do a thing about it.
    Yes Konami need something brilliant that EA can't touch.

  • 99doogs's Avatar
    99doogs
    30th August 2013 at 10:57pm

    Originally Posted by oloooo
    Yes that, and all spanish teams and there stadiums gone plus no rain and of course the new fifa like to fast gameplay, so not only stadium editor.
    boo hoo

  • stuarta's Avatar
    stuarta
    31st August 2013 at 5:18am

    That is SO true DS37. I spend the first month or so, when PES comes out, just editing teams and players into fictional likenesses from comics I used to read and just made up from my Subbuteo days. The outstanding features of PES editing over the years has always drawn me back to it. FIFA has VERY limited editing which actually puts me off of it after a little while, so PES comes through again ! We want MORE editing options not LESS. I really enjoyed doing my own stadium, making it look rundown as I struggled to get my made up team promotion. This is PES's strength. Stick to what you know Konami, and stick it to EA !

  • Tino's AWOL's Avatar
    Tino's AWOL
    31st August 2013 at 9:01am

    The weather thing makes sense. They are dealing with a new engine and, if rain's just going to be cosmetic, you could argue its not worth including. Bear in mind that rain just doesn't have one effect on the game. If its heavy, the play gets weighed down, light and it becomes slick and pacey.

  • TommyBarrs's Avatar
    TommyBarrs
    31st August 2013 at 10:38am

    Maybe Konami might of put more work in to other game modes..... Maybe done more to make the online better, maybe ML better with more things.. The gameplay looks top notch... There is no reason why stadium editor has been removed though. rain im not to hard on i'd prefer it to be 100% than to be 50/50. lets wait for next week, hearing loads of more info is coming about PES14.

  • predator18's Avatar
    predator18
    31st August 2013 at 1:10pm

    If we can get all the Argentinian/Brazilian and Asian Stadiums and South African WC Stadiums aswell in an upcoming data pack then it's all fine by me!
    I was more peed off at the lack of headers i was able to do as it was a main part of my gameplay in previous PES'S.

  • g2bam's Avatar
    g2bam
    31st August 2013 at 2:07pm

    Originally Posted by Tino's AWOL
    The weather thing makes sense....
    With respect it certainly doesn't make sense! This is 2013, and this is a game with 2014 in its title and if this company we pay millions to every year buying their product develop a system or set of procedures that disallows them delivering a proper product to its userbase then some people need to be sacked there and an executive decision needs making to adjust the company's current position on their plans for this release.

    Customers should not accept this situation whatsoever, especially when this feature that they have removed was one of the big selling and upgrading points in their early show and previews around April/May this year. They took weather out of this current gen and then messed about with it and they called what was left of it rain, while we called it a night time game played at lunchtime such was the absolute mess they made of it.

    Every year its always 'it will be in next year' been saying that to us since 2008 disaster fest they called their next gen offering. I have the Gran Turisimo that runs at 1080 full HD & 3D with every conceivable weather, surface and atmospheric condition, all rendered stunningly on a PS3 and 50 inch 3D set.

    There's no excuse for their appalling coding and decision making here and they are encouraged every year to do this to us when they read comments like the one you posted.

    Remember you're a customer so it matters, it matters every inch of the way when a company is trying to sell you a cut down inferior product from the one promised in their publicity and marketing materials just a short 2 months ago.

  • TommyBarrs's Avatar
    TommyBarrs
    31st August 2013 at 6:48pm

    Is there any chance they're could import it into the game? like we could download the new patch with it installed? maybe couple weeks after the game being released?

  • Kireca's Avatar
    Kireca
    31st August 2013 at 8:43pm

    PES6 on the 360 had severe restrictions. Trimmed down game modes and you couldn't even save your goals (although it was written in the manual you could).

    People still rave about PES6 now because it was such a great game. Not saying I'm liking the restriction of the editor and lack of stadia, but as long as the game is brilliant that's all I need to know.

  • fabregas2's Avatar
    fabregas2
    31st August 2013 at 9:04pm

    Weather thing's a joke. In pervious years rain hasn't affected the gameplay at all so why remove it? They want to improve it and that's fine but there's no reason to remove it completely. How long ago was it when they removed snow and still haven't brought it back. Guess we should say bye to rain forever.

  • TommyBarrs's Avatar
    TommyBarrs
    31st August 2013 at 9:25pm

    Does that mean we can only play in the sun?

    Originally Posted by fabregas2
    Weather thing's a joke. In pervious years rain hasn't affected the gameplay at all so why remove it? They want to improve it and that's fine but there's no reason to remove it completely. How long ago was it when they removed snow and still haven't brought it back. Guess we should say bye to rain forever.

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    fabregas2
    31st August 2013 at 9:34pm

    Originally Posted by TommyBarrs
    Does that mean we can only play in the sun?
    Unless it's night seemingly.

  • gooner4life's Avatar
    gooner4life
    31st August 2013 at 10:25pm

    It was summed up on the last page, PES hasn't aged well, an entire generation has come and will soon go without a good PES game, it say's something when I can pickup the PSP version which is essentially the same game as PES6 on PS2 with new kits and it be a better game of football than what PES can deliver on 360 or PS3.

    Konami lost what made PES at some point, I don't even understand the controls anymore, it all just feels random, I feel more in control playing Fifa, and while EA made their game more and more like the classic Pro Evo's Konami decided to change everything we loved about the game.

  • Malcolm9's Avatar
    Malcolm9
    1st September 2013 at 6:55am

    Originally Posted by gooner4life
    It was summed up on the last page, PES hasn't aged well, an entire generation has come and will soon go without a good PES game, it say's something when I can pickup the PSP version which is essentially the same game as PES6 on PS2 with new kits and it be a better game of football than what PES can deliver on 360 or PS3.

    Konami lost what made PES at some point, I don't even understand the controls anymore, it all just feels random, I feel more in control playing Fifa, and while EA made their game more and more like the classic Pro Evo's Konami decided to change everything we loved about the game.
    Fifa is far away gameplay wise to how the old PES games played. Fifa 13 especially is far to automated for my liking in regards to tackling, interceptions, passes randomly going astray for no reason etc etc.

    Control wise PES in a basic sense has remained the same, they have revised how tricks work and that and you can easily pick that up in the tutorial modes or in free training. The game gives you a command list which tells you how to pull things off, so this means like older PES games you need to learn the game over a period of time to get really good, unlike Fifa 13 were anyone can pick the game up and be half decent at it after a few games.

    PES had never lost it's magic & soul, it's just that previous games (PES 2008 - 2012) had flaws which made it hard to see at times.

  • DS 37's Avatar
    DS 37
    1st September 2013 at 9:23am

    Does anyone know if all the teams,including the Argentinian and other South American teams will be able to be used in the Master League?
    So you could make up custom leagues,and play to get into the Champions League etc?
    If you cant,i think thats pants.It would soften the blow of having no Spanish stadiums.

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    Humphrey
    1st September 2013 at 11:04am

    It always amazes me how much people care about these random non issues. Who ever wants to play in rain?! Who notices the stadium after kick off?!

    As long as night times available as shadows are annoying then who cares...

  • Dee's Avatar
    Dee
    1st September 2013 at 11:18am

    Originally Posted by Humphrey
    It always amazes me how much people care about these random non issues. Who ever wants to play in rain?! Who notices the stadium after kick off?!

    As long as night times available as shadows are annoying then who cares...
    Plenty care. Sometimes minor issues get blown up out of proportion but immersion is a big part of the game for many and people like as much "realism" as possible. To just dismiss omissions and peoples annoyance at what Konami are up to sometimes is ridiculous.

  • Humphrey's Avatar
    Humphrey
    1st September 2013 at 11:44am

    Originally Posted by Dee
    Plenty care. Sometimes minor issues get blown up out of proportion but immersion is a big part of the game for many and people like as much "realism" as possible. To just dismiss omissions and peoples annoyance at what Konami are up to sometimes is ridiculous.
    I just think the outcry over something like this is so out of
    proportion when the very basic things of the game are wrong. No manual goalkeeper online for example. The basic details of the game should be fixed before all the finer details are a massive issue. Different things are important to different people though

  • Milanista's Avatar
    Milanista
    1st September 2013 at 11:45am

    This really is ridiculous.

    Let me explain: Konami stated that there won't be a next-gen version of PES2014 because they concentrated on the current gen version and want users to have the best possible experience and can't guarantee that on next-gen consoles. Ok, so they left that market wide and open for EA, now at least their current gen version should be great, right?

    Apparently not. Not having such a basic feature as weather conditions, that games back on the PS2 where capable of pulling is ridiculous and add nothing but tedious repetitiveness to the game. Even on PS2 there was bad weather that lead to dirty kits. It can't be that hard to have this in a game in 2013. This shows nothing but lazyness and possibly a lack of resources.

    Now onto the editing issue. I'll be honest: Without editing PES would be next to worthless to me. PES' editing capabilities have always been one of the main reasons I enjoyed the game so much as a lot of stuff was easy to update and therefore lead to a much better and realistic experience than FIFA's licenses could ever dream of granting. I get @DukeGuy 's argument but it does seem to a line in the sand and quite arbitrary.
    Why the stadium editor out of all things? If EA where hell-bent on prohibiting Konami to implement editing then surely the Stadium-editor would be the least interesting aspects as team kits are surely the major issue for gamers(as are names and so on). They would also hardly implement an editor of their own as this would leave them incredibly exposed too.

    Also please consider this analogy: Think of filehosts. Everyone knows what they are mostly for and yet their businesses continue to run and there have hardly been any court cases in a different direction. They provide a service and an infrastructure. What contents the users use this service for is not their concern, all they have to to is implement some sort of control or react to notifications of copyright infringements. That'sit.(Of course there is the exception of the Megaupload disaster but as many will know this has a broader and more political background. EA also hardly has the lobbying power that the music and film industries have).

    This reasoning perfectly applies to Konami's situation too. It is not their fault. Just think of the WWE games and their in-game editor. With this in-game editor you can download all sorts fo wrestlers and arenas, among these there are CZW arenas and wrestlers. The WWE obviously has no rights to have these in their games and yet users can upload them in the games onlince section for everyone to download. This is another crucial difference. THQ and EA have these copyright infringements on their own servers/in their own games and don't patrol. PES simply has an in-game editor, all the coprighted data is outside of their hands and can't be accessed solely through the game or Konami's servers. If anything it's EA and THQ risking a hefty fine here, not Konami.

  • ISS72's Avatar
    ISS72
    1st September 2013 at 12:29pm

    Pretty saddened to read this. I've switched to FIFA anyway, as I love the way I can tweak the game play to my liking. Any now I read PES doesn't even have weather effects anymore.

  • Malcolm9's Avatar
    Malcolm9
    1st September 2013 at 12:35pm

    Originally Posted by ISS72
    Pretty saddened to read this. I've switched to FIFA anyway, as I love the way I can tweak the game play to my liking. Any now I read PES doesn't even have weather effects anymore.
    The leaked demo of PES 2014 plays much better than any Fifa game in my experience, rain or no rain, and this is before trying the more up to date build which has been improved even more.

    I always turn off rain in Fifa and PES as it looks crap half the time, so I'd rather it was implemented properly than not at all.

  • ellisdee's Avatar
    ellisdee
    1st September 2013 at 12:36pm

    From the PES 14 wikipedia page it claims that the Copa Sudamericana will also feature in this years PES,and I wondering if this is true??It would be great to see this on PES 14 as you would now have two major competitions from Europe (Champions League & Europa League) and two from South America (Copa Liberatores & Copa Sudamericana??) with the Asian Champions league there as well.

    Like most of us I'm also slightly dissapointed about the Spanish Stadiums & stadium editor (not that it's Konami's fault - more EA's dirty tactics to be honest) not being there,but with the afore mentioned and along with the additions of the Argentine & Chilean leagues,I'll still have PES over FIFA anyday.Even more so now from what EA did,which was a very cheap move to make in my opinion.I can only assume that Konami were making in roads into EA's domination,and they were getting concerned about Konami's progress.At least from that Konami can take some pride.

    For the future I think Konami should try to gain more global market share by moving towards the untouched regions of Africa,and gaining more from Asia by getting the Asian Presidents Cup license on top of the ACL that they gained this year.If possible it would be nice if they could get licenses for the national competitions (Like the European Championships,African Cup of Nations,Copa America and the Asian Cup) but more importantly the World Cup.Maybe from that and along with Konami's talent, the EA stronghold will weaken and the licenses that Konami can't get hold of might just become a little bit more easier to obtain.

  • DS 37's Avatar
    DS 37
    1st September 2013 at 2:46pm

    Originally Posted by Humphrey
    I just think the outcry over something like this is so out of
    proportion when the very basic things of the game are wrong. No manual goalkeeper online for example. The basic details of the game should be fixed before all the finer details are a massive issue. Different things are important to different people though
    I hear what you are saying about elements of the actual gameplay mate,as I think the keepers,and AI in general needed serious work.
    But as for the stadiums,it just doesnt feel right,for me,playing with say Barca or Madrid in the Bristol Mary stadium,or Konami stadium,or whatever.
    It just ruins it a bit for me personally.However as I said earlier,if we can use the new Argie teams in ML then that sounds interesting.
    Im thinking Boca Juniors v AC Milan or River v Juventus in the Champs League.
    Id have a bit of that.

  • BiffyLioneye's Avatar
    BiffyLioneye
    1st September 2013 at 6:05pm

    Am I the only one who couldn't give a hoot about no rain and no Spanish stadiums?

    Up until last year we only had 3 La Liga stadiums so it's no big loss for me at all. As long as the game plays well I'll be a happy bunny.

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    chimaira1967
    1st September 2013 at 6:22pm

    Sign the petition before a game dissapears for ever

    http://www.change.org/petitions/stop-exclusive-license-monopolies-equally-shared-licenses-for-football-simulation-softwares?utm_source=supporter_message&utm_med ium=email&utm_campaign=petition_message_notice

  • 99doogs's Avatar
    99doogs
    2nd September 2013 at 4:40am

    Originally Posted by BiffyLioneye
    Am I the only one who couldn't give a hoot about no rain and no Spanish stadiums?

    Up until last year we only had 3 La Liga stadiums so it's no big loss for me at all. As long as the game plays well I'll be a happy bunny.
    no, im with you. I think its hilarious seeing people freak out and act like its the end of the world over this nonsense when just a few days prior everyone was saying it was the best PES ever in history ridiculous. Im really excited by being able to change teams in ML, managing NT's, brand new edit mode, Copa Sudamericana + Recopa, Chilean League + Argentinian League and South American ML

    Originally Posted by ellisdee
    From the PES 14 wikipedia page it claims that the Copa Sudamericana will also feature in this years PES,and I wondering if this is true??It would be great to see this on PES 14 as you would now have two major competitions from Europe (Champions League & Europa League) and two from South America (Copa Liberatores & Copa Sudamericana??) with the Asian Champions league there as well.

    Like most of us I'm also slightly dissapointed about the Spanish Stadiums & stadium editor (not that it's Konami's fault - more EA's dirty tactics to be honest) not being there,but with the afore mentioned and along with the additions of the Argentine & Chilean leagues,I'll still have PES over FIFA anyday.Even more so now from what EA did,which was a very cheap move to make in my opinion.I can only assume that Konami were making in roads into EA's domination,and they were getting concerned about Konami's progress.At least from that Konami can take some pride.

    For the future I think Konami should try to gain more global market share by moving towards the untouched regions of Africa,and gaining more from Asia by getting the Asian Presidents Cup license on top of the ACL that they gained this year.If possible it would be nice if they could get licenses for the national competitions (Like the European Championships,African Cup of Nations,Copa America and the Asian Cup) but more importantly the World Cup.Maybe from that and along with Konami's talent, the EA stronghold will weaken and the licenses that Konami can't get hold of might just become a little bit more easier to obtain.
    the Copa Sudamericana + Recopa were confirmed weeks ago, maybe more then a month ago

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    BerbasNo1Fan
    2nd September 2013 at 11:24am

    The small things matter to me because pes gameplay alone isn't enough to beat fifa for me anymore.

    Back in the ps2 days I picked pes over fifa every time regardless of licences because fifa was terrible to play, that's not the case anymore

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    Khalidz
    2nd September 2013 at 3:52pm

    Guys,

    Will their be option files for PES 2014 this year?

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    Dee
    2nd September 2013 at 4:15pm

    Originally Posted by Khalidz
    Guys,

    Will their be option files for PES 2014 this year?
    Yes.

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    orangebard
    2nd September 2013 at 4:15pm

    Yep, definitely! Wenb will be doing one and G.T.M. is doing one too. I'm sure there will be many more.

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    99doogs
    2nd September 2013 at 4:21pm

    Originally Posted by Khalidz
    Guys,

    Will their be option files for PES 2014 this year?
    obviously

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    boothy20
    2nd September 2013 at 4:33pm

    Originally Posted by chimaira1967
    Sign the petition before a game dissapears for ever

    http://www.change.org/petitions/stop...message_notice
    Signed!

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    ZanyBooch
    2nd September 2013 at 8:39pm

    So guys can anyone tell what is the worst case scenario in here? I mean not these year but in future..?

    Is there any chance that EA could ban whole PES editors with license restrictions? This sounds so ridiculous and i think its not that black and white to say. They may get some limits, but isnt it impossible to ban whole editor system from other companys game?? I mean example, if PES got an editor (thats not criminal itself i quess) and you "open" a player with that, how in the hell some restrictions says that u cant write to that players name Lionel Messi etc?? Or how in the hell some restrictions say that you cant change the face some way to look like him? Or if you change team name to Manchester United? How thay control that?? They cant ban letters or different faces/body types. Same thing with stadium editors, shirts etc. Only way what they can try to do is that those files will be harder to share with people. No one cant say what you do with your own console.

    These are just my own thoughts. I hope some PES/konami people step forward and tell us whats going on in here. Sure thats their business but like a big fan it may be a little relieve if know a something more about this. And im sure im not the only one. I think there are lot of people with the same need to know some kind of facts.

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    wiesniak193
    3rd September 2013 at 7:27am

    Spanish La Liga does not bother me,stadium editor too is not a game breake and I mainly play in a sunny weather,so it is not a problem for me that those things are missing.Very recently Leo Messi has been exposed as a bully and very rude person who brings team mates to tears.EA decided to have him on the cover of FIFA 14,so it says a lot about them and their tactics.What DOES bother me is this-Konami had licenses last year and the years before ,yet for some reason decided to let them go.For me it is a bit sloppy and lazy.EA has been named the worst company in USA for a few years in a row now.They play dirty,they are evil and will do anything for money.What Konami need to understand is that if they want PES to compete and stay in this fight,some dirty tricks need to be used sometimes.We have been crying and begging them to spend more money on licenses for years.Now they loose even more of them.Is not one person at Konami straight thinking?????Spanish stadiums??Stuff it!!!Let EA have them.BUT,FOR GOD`S SAKE,THERE`S THOUSANDS OF GOOD STADIUMS IN THE WORLD!!!!!Give us some of them!!But 20 stadiums??????You go all crazy about your new Fox engine.....and what???20 stadiums,no rain or snow??Konami have been lazy for a few years now and they need to get in the war against EA properly or risk losing it.Personally I hope that new game WILL NOT have those annoying footballs from previous games-PES 2008-2011.Football world is so vast and full of content,Konami is ,in some way ,stuck in the past.They need fresh approach,otherwise,evil and dirty playing EA will eat them alive.....and laugh about it while counting money.What also bothers me is this-if EA stops Konami from including some edit options ,yet do exactly the same thing with their Creation Centre.......shouldn`t Konami fight back?????If I hear that users CAN reproduce Champions and Europa League`s "things".Is that NOT law breaking???Come on,Konami,have some balls and fight fire with fire.As they say-Live by sword.....die by sword.

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    glocken
    3rd September 2013 at 11:22am

    Hi All,

    One quick question, in the 2013 PES game, the league mode was removed so you could not play a full league season (i.e Premier league, La Liga etc), does anybody know if this has been restored for 2014?

    Many thanks

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    Malcolm9
    3rd September 2013 at 11:52am

    Originally Posted by glocken
    Hi All,

    One quick question, in the 2013 PES game, the league mode was removed so you could not play a full league season (i.e Premier league, La Liga etc), does anybody know if this has been restored for 2014?

    Many thanks
    League mode is back for PES 2014.

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    hopethisisfree
    3rd September 2013 at 9:17pm

    None of this would matter if they did it on the pitch.. They have forever been trounced by Fifa on stuff like this.. and yet still out sold it. Now the problem is not having these and not doing it on the pitch either.. They havent been giving gamers reason to choose pes over fifa the last few year..

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    Dee
    3rd September 2013 at 11:22pm

    Originally Posted by hopethisisfree
    None of this would matter if they did it on the pitch.. They have forever been trounced by Fifa on stuff like this.. and yet still out sold it. Now the problem is not having these and not doing it on the pitch either.. They havent been giving gamers reason to choose pes over fifa the last few year..
    This new pes14 will be fantastic. Easy on the negativity considering you haven't played it and they really have ripped the old engine apart this year.

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    DMuzz
    4th September 2013 at 9:45am

    Exactly, I don't understand these guys. Calling Konami lazy for not implementing rain and a lack of stadiums even though they are building a brand new game from the ground up. Lets be honest, for every hour you spend playing the game, you're likely to pay specific attention to the stadium for a minute, maybe.

    Its funny how that guy mentions how they aren't doing it on the pitch, so what have Konami done? Started over with a clean slate. It seems like he wants the same old crap with just a couple new features each year like Fifa does.

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    lashley
    4th September 2013 at 9:33pm

    No rain is pretty bad. Pleased they want to implement gameplay factors into it though, like it being slippery etc, something I've yet to see in a footy game.

    The rest though is stupid, they lose stadium licenses (fair enough), so why remove stadium creator/editor?

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    ViaTurati
    4th September 2013 at 9:42pm

    Originally Posted by lashley
    The rest though is stupid, they lose stadium licenses (fair enough), so why remove stadium creator/editor?
    It is an annoyance. I don't buy it that EA have forced Konami to cut certain editing features out. It's not like any of the stadiums you could make using the editor were exact replicas.

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    lashley
    4th September 2013 at 9:44pm

    Yeah I know, likely included next year for next gen as a new feature

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    hopethisisfree
    4th September 2013 at 9:55pm

    Originally Posted by DMuzz
    Exactly, I don't understand these guys. Calling Konami lazy for not implementing rain and a lack of stadiums even though they are building a brand new game from the ground up. Lets be honest, for every hour you spend playing the game, you're likely to pay specific attention to the stadium for a minute, maybe.

    Its funny how that guy mentions how they aren't doing it on the pitch, so what have Konami done? Started over with a clean slate. It seems like he wants the same old crap with just a couple new features each year like Fifa does.
    I have to shake my head at some people on here..

    Right.. ok.. so I say they havent been doing it on the pitch lately.. and you some how translate that as I want them to keep not doing it on the pitch.. where is the sense in that..

    And they guy above you equally nonsense..

    I dunno, maybe its my communication skills or people on here are just so on the defensive they just go on defence auto pilot without reading the posts..
    I had the exact same problem in another thread.. people just picking out one or 2 words from a post and making their own sentences up in their head..

    Its very blinkered. Its getting irritating.

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    DMuzz
    5th September 2013 at 1:28am

    Originally Posted by hopethisisfree
    I have to shake my head at some people on here..

    Right.. ok.. so I say they havent been doing it on the pitch lately.. and you some how translate that as I want them to keep not doing it on the pitch.. where is the sense in that..

    And they guy above you equally nonsense..

    I dunno, maybe its my communication skills or people on here are just so on the defensive they just go on defence auto pilot without reading the posts..
    I had the exact same problem in another thread.. people just picking out one or 2 words from a post and making their own sentences up in their head..

    Its very blinkered. Its getting irritating.
    Similarly, you focus on one statement from my post, the "he" is supposed to be a "they" so it isn't directed at you specifically. It was directed at the people calling people Konami lazy, etc despite the fact that are rebuilding the game for them. Considering no one has played the game yet and haven't waited for the demo to reserve judgement of how it will play.

    The part that was directed at you was about how they are trying to address the poor gameplay by starting over and that you think by not implementing rain and not having stadiums is a reason why PES sold or why it won't sell.

    If you think I truly believed you wanted the same gameplay then I'm the one that has to shake my head at you. You said PES sold because of those aspects and you were complaining because it will no longer have those aspects as if you would buy it if it still did, hence my comment about you wanting the same crap with a couple new features, just like Fifa.

    I'm not the one that's getting defensive, I was just voicing my opinion about how I don't understand how narrow minded people on here are being.

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    keane6
    5th September 2013 at 10:11am

    Wouldn't worry about weather and the stadium issue is hardly a deal breaker. Its all about gameplay after all. I also doubt that EA or the FA etc have the power to prevent Konami having a proper editing system. Lack of stadium editor is probably an internal technical issue. Konami should look into sponsoring a team in some of the leagues that EA have exclusive rights to. How would they like it if a team in one of those leagues had PES14 plastered across the front of a team's shirt.

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    DS 37
    5th September 2013 at 2:57pm

    Im still keeping an open mind about it all,I'll reserve judgement until Ive really played it a bit first.

    But hopethisisfree is on to something here.If the gameplay was really spot on,and the AI was clever and worked well,then these minor issues wouldnt be on peoples minds so much,I reckon.

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    Damo7
    5th September 2013 at 3:15pm

    It seems a real own goal this. I have like a lot of people thought of moving back to PES this year after being a FIFA Boy since FIFA10. Those days of PES up until PES6 were my favourite times. FIFA has been ok but has never matched those early PES days.

    I loved the sound of this new engine and the game does look more fluid. Will still purchase it I think but disappointed with this news. I really think a lot of people who were prepared to come back may now be put off.

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    DS 37
    5th September 2013 at 5:13pm

    Originally Posted by Damo7
    It seems a real own goal this. I have like a lot of people thought of moving back to PES this year after being a FIFA Boy since FIFA10. Those days of PES up until PES6 were my favourite times. FIFA has been ok but has never matched those early PES days.

    I loved the sound of this new engine and the game does look more fluid. Will still purchase it I think but disappointed with this news. I really think a lot of people who were prepared to come back may now be put off.
    Yeh definetely mate,I think its the fact that on the old game engine there were still some pretty major issues that needed addressing.Ok granted,we are now getting a whole new engine,but I think peoples reticence and lack of enthusiasm is due to stuff like this.

    Then we get told that they are taking even more things away,licenses etc.That just compounds it.Cant be great PR for Konami

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    hopethisisfree
    5th September 2013 at 10:07pm

    Its not. No true pes fan ever cared about licence or flashy effects. Nobody ever bought pes because of its licences or effects.. effects and licences were never the focus with pes.. it was the gameplay.. Now the problem is its become the focus so when they fail at achieving it has a bigger impact than it should.

    Hate to bring up fifa again but historically, fifa has always had the presentation, the licences and the effects.. pes was never going to win that battle and I think half the problem has been the shift in focus at trying to emulate fifa and match them at the masters of this stuff.. a losing battle and they lost focus on the reason people chose pes in the first place which was the unparalleled gameplay..

    10 year ago I player fifa.. it had all the licences, all the shiney stuff, better animations but no soul on the pitch. Every game was the same..
    10 year ago I playes Pes.. it had so few licences they may well not have bothered, fake players in every team but it had that magic on the pitch.. No 2 games were the same. You could play it forever.. I even had a name for it.. Pes magic.

    I'm playing the latest fifa.. its still got all the licences, all the shiney stuff, better animations, its still hopeless on the pitch..
    The last few Pes has gotton shiney, it even has the champions league, but its barely any different to fifa on the pitch.. infact I was truly amazed by the similarities in gameplay.. The magic had gone.

    Some where between now and then Konami used the phrase 'new direction'.. google it.. that imo is where it went wrong

    Hopefully not having these things means they are going to have to put the effort into the more important things but where do I get my optimism from when if this PES does deliver it will be the first time the new guys have managed too.

    If they haven't done either and are just hoping the graphics see them thru another year then its still heading in the wrong direction.. They need to get back on the right track.

    TLDR.. Screw rain.. screw licences.. just focus on what they used to do the best which is make an AI that doesn't play like its on loop every game.. where you play the game.. the game doesn't just let you hold a controller while you watch.. that dev polish and love you could feel in every kick of the ball, that feeling you get when you scoce.. the just as thrilling 0-0.. the PES magic.

    Win.

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    Dee
    5th September 2013 at 10:46pm

    Originally Posted by hopethisisfree
    its barely any different to fifa on the pitch.. infact I was truly amazed by the similarities in gameplay.
    I agree that gameplay is obviously the overriding factor in any sports game but PES has never really had an issue with licensing because of it's quality editing facilities and the active community. I have always maintained that PES needs it's stunningly addictive gameplay back and superb editing facilities and we're good to go. Without the latter it wouldn't be the same for me despite what some say about having made up names etc., Yes, it would be great to play a game with the gameplay spot on but I still expect at least edited authenticity in 2013 NOT a return to the days when I had to drift off in to my twilight zone and suspend belief as I convinced myself the nigerian winger in his away kit was actually Bobby Petta!!

    As for your highlighted point above I simply cannot agree. I have played PES since the beginning (ISS). I have played FIFA too over the years from the start - from it's fun days on the megadrive, to the sheer comedy as it struggled to keep up with PES through to recent years when it was the only viable football game as Konami made a roaring horlicks of PES this generation..........BUT..........PES13 was a return to mid-table form (offline, don't play PES online) while FIFAs lack of innovation and samey gameplay seen it slide in to the relegation zone. I personally can not see any real similarities between PES13 and FIFA 13.

    I am the eternal PES optimist every year only to be let down since PES6 every year bar last years release. I am also a fierce critic of Konami as they had genuinely ruined my all time favourite gaming series for so many years........you're right - the PES magic of old was gone. But when I heard last year that Konami would release PES14 on a new engine I simply couldn't wait. Having played the early code of the game my optimism is fully justified (despite initially being a bit when a new game is paired with some early code flaws) and I am pretty certain that it will be the greatest PES ever released, I genuinely believe that - this won't be based on online for me etc., but for the quality of the game on the pitch with the improved graphics, animation and the editing magic of the community. I just hope everyone gives the demo/full release a chance as it will take a bit of getting used to......but it's going to have the PES magic back, of that I am convinced.

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    hopethisisfree
    5th September 2013 at 11:33pm

    I agree with all you said.. I'm exactly the same as you.. I have played pes since the ISS days.. I'm more concerned with offline.. If the offline is great then I will probably take it online but I could live without it.

    I think pes has gone down hill since the Ps3 days also.. but 2013 was no exception for me which is where we differ.. 2011 was probably the best on this gen but that's just cos its the best from a real bad bunch..

    but maybe it has been the engine to blame all these years.. is it a coincidence that every pes on this engine hasn't been up to standard.. maybe the engine was a mistake they had to live with the past few years.. I dunno..

    it still has to be partly down to the new direction konami raved about.. and when it was criticised saying it was cos they haven't gone enough in the new direction which is to blame.. delusion probably more to blame

    I'm hoping I can take your word for it seeing as though it seems like we have been on sort of the the same pes page all these years.. but konami track record is stopping me from going full positivism.. and I still remember how broke the first game was on the last new engine which couldn't even maintain the framerate of the game on PS1..

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    Dee
    6th September 2013 at 12:46am

    I can certainly understand scepticism considering Konami's recent history of letting the fanbase down. But having played the early code and after a few initial hiccups, now I have got used to it, I personally can see so much promise for this year. The new engine graphically/framerate/animation wise runs without a hitch so no worries there.

    I just hope that all the old fans of the series enjoy this years release. It's about time Konami brought things full circle and had us all united behind it again. Even in it's glory days it had faults but because of the PES magic we all still loved it. It'll be nice to send this generation off with a brilliant PES, the best yet.....and properly implement next gen power for PES15. No excuses anymore, as far as I am concerned every PES from now on must meet the standards set by the series' past. Exclusions like rain for this engine isn't ideal but isn't a massive issue if it ensures the game runs perfectly. The lack of licensed spanish stadia isn't ideal considering Konami already had the license but will be negated if they include a range of quality generic stadiums. I can understand the stadium editor being removed an annoyance for some but the previous point stands for me and as long as I have similar generic stadiums, brilliant created with stellar atmosphere, I'll be fine.

    So the factors that are creating some negativity already, for me, are disappointing but not game breaking. However, from now on Konami must do their best to fight EA's money train and not let EA dictate things like edit mode considering they have a creation centre that blatantly flaunts license rights themselves.

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    DS 37
    6th September 2013 at 8:09am

    Originally Posted by Dee
    I can certainly understand scepticism considering Konami's recent history of letting the fanbase down. But having played the early code and after a few initial ohiccups, now I have got used to it, I personally can see so much promise for this year. The new engine graphically/framerate/animation wise runs without a hitch so no worries there.

    I just hope that all the old fans of the series enjoy this years release. It's about time Konami brought things full circle and had us all united behind it again. Even in it's glory days it had faults but because of the PES magic we all still loved it. It'll be nice to send this generation off with a brilliant PES, the best yet.....and properly implement next gen power for PES15. No excuses anymore, as far as I am concerned every PES from now on must meet the standards set by the series' past. Exclusions like rain for this engine isn't ideal but isn't a massive issue if it ensures the game runs perfectly. The lack of licensed spanish stadia isn't ideal considering Konami already had the license but will be negated if they include a range of quality generic stadiums. I can understand the stadium editor being removed an annoyance for some but the previous point stands for me and as long as I have similar generic stadiums, brilliant created with stellar atmosphere, I'll be fine.

    So the factors that are creating some negativity already, for me, are disappointing but not game breaking. However, from now on Konami must do their best to fight EA's money train and not let EA dictate things like edit mode considering they have a creation centre that blatantly flaunts license rights themselves.
    Yeh im on the same page as you Dee,lets be optimistic

    I just hope the new engine has fixed the retarded keepers though !

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    Dee
    6th September 2013 at 2:09pm

    Originally Posted by DS 37
    Yeh im on the same page as you Dee,lets be optimistic

    I just hope the new engine has fixed the retarded keepers though !
    They're still heading to the special Olympics in the early code!! Better be sorted for final release

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    DS 37
    6th September 2013 at 3:14pm

    Originally Posted by Dee
    They're still heading to the special Olympics in the early code!! Better be sorted for final release
    Heheh !!

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    hopethisisfree
    6th September 2013 at 6:58pm

    We say that every year about the keepers..

    if I remember rightly the keepers in the demo last year were actually better than the full game.

    and that's was after hoping they would be improved from the demo

    Konami don't do keepers.

    Well, actually I think they purposely make them bad. More exciting in their opinion, bigger scorelines, helps with scripting,

    I noticed they still do that thing where they chase the ball down and break their neck to launch the ball out for a throw in under no pressure when it would have been easier to launch it forward.. just cos it helps with balance in their opinion.. which was added a few year ago.. I think you used to be able to control that yourself..

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    hopethisisfree
    6th September 2013 at 7:12pm

    Hold on a sec.. is there still snow like we were shown in previews.. and if there is, how can we have snow if theres no rain

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    DS 37
    6th September 2013 at 8:55pm

    Yeh thats a good point actually.You see lots of games in the rain,but very few in snow,unless you live in the arctic circle or whatever.

    Talking of retarded keepers,Ive just witnessed some retarded defending from Scotland.Grant Hanley stepped out too much,and kindly gifted a gaping hole to Mirallas of Belgium,who had all the time in the world to compose himself,and tuck it away.Scotland 0 Belgium 2.
    That defending was like watching the AI in Pes 2013.
    That wouldve been a controller-bounced-off-the-wall moment.

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    ellisdee
    6th September 2013 at 11:02pm

    I read rumours that all Champions League & Europa League teams will all included for PES 14.As a lot of German teams have qualified for these competitions (Dortmund,Bayern,Schalke,Eintracht Frankfurt,Freiburg & Leverkusen) this season,will there be a German league added in the same mould as the Portugese & English Leagues?

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    BiffyLioneye
    7th September 2013 at 7:38am

    I have to laugh at the fuss this has created. Did anyone read the first post all? It wasn't possible this year.

    I wish people would look at the bigger picture and realise this will finally be a massive step in the right direction. Lets not forget Konami admitted that until now we'd been playing PES built from an enhanced PS2 engine.

    I for one am looking forward to PES2014, it doesn't bother me in the slightest about the lack of rain or stadiums, I just like the direction the series is going. As for EA's extreme tactics regarding licenses it's clear to me they realise their product is nothing without official licenses. If the day ever came that licenses were available for all FIFA would suffer.

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    Malcolm9
    7th September 2013 at 8:04am

    Also rain has always been poorly implemented in football games most of the time, it looks shocking in Fifa and causes a ridiculous amount of slide on the pitch, as for snow you hardly see it at big stadiums anymore due to under soil heating.

    For me I'm just hoping PES and Fifa are both decent to play, last year was quite underwhelming for both due to the game flaws which ruined my enjoyment.

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    DS 37
    7th September 2013 at 12:45pm

    The whole point is,if the AI and keepers werent so hopeless,and the referees more consistent,maybe less people would take notice of these other details.
    If we had a realistic football sim,I think there would be hardly any concern about licenses.Its because the game hasnt been up to standard that these other things seem more annoying.

    The game has been released for the past few editions,in a half-finished at best state.

    So I think when people hear about less licenses,things being taken out the game etc,they lose faith.

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    bigchap amor
    7th September 2013 at 9:45pm

    pro playas need to calm doon pro ready to kick fifas ass the goalies in 2013 more realistic than previous versions playin my brother last night
    hut a shot and it wasnt that dangerous then it hit the goalies belly and left baw and went in fifa too cartoony for me every fifa feels and plays the same been a pro playa for life and 2014 ready to smash fifa oot the joint 4shu keep the faith yall
    any one no if their will be a pro2014 demo?
    much luv walk on pro playas

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    Patrick73
    8th September 2013 at 6:29am

    Originally Posted by bigchap amor
    pro playas need to calm doon pro ready to kick fifas ass the goalies in 2013 more realistic than previous versions plkayin my brother last night
    hut a shot and it wasnt that dangerous then it hit the goalies belly and left baw and went in fifa too cartoony for me every fifa feels and plays the same been a pro playa for life and 2014 ready to smash fifa oot the joint 4shu keep the faith yall
    any one no if their will be a pro2014 demo?
    much luv walk on pro playas
    Could not understand a word of that!

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    mareen
    8th September 2013 at 8:42am

    Originally Posted by bigchap amor
    pro playas need to calm doon pro ready to kick fifas ass the goalies in 2013 more realistic than previous versions playin my brother last night
    hut a shot and it wasnt that dangerous then it hit the goalies belly and left baw and went in fifa too cartoony for me every fifa feels and plays the same been a pro playa for life and 2014 ready to smash fifa oot the joint 4shu keep the faith yall
    any one no if their will be a pro2014 demo?
    much luv walk on pro playas

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    Brendever
    8th September 2013 at 8:53am

    Originally Posted by bigchap amor
    pro playas need to calm doon pro ready to kick fifas ass the goalies in 2013 more realistic than previous versions playin my brother last night
    hut a shot and it wasnt that dangerous then it hit the goalies belly and left baw and went in fifa too cartoony for me every fifa feels and plays the same been a pro playa for life and 2014 ready to smash fifa oot the joint 4shu keep the faith yall
    any one no if their will be a pro2014 demo?
    Much luv walk on pro playas

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    hopethisisfree
    8th September 2013 at 12:37pm

    Originally Posted by BiffyLioneye
    I just like the direction the series is going.
    But youre in the minority because most people do not like the new direction the game has been going in..

    I'm hoping that pes 14 is a new new direction.. and not a continuation of the old new direction. which even konami admitted had turned many of the old fans away and sales have been halving on a yearly basis.. and that's not because FIFA suddenly got the licences and pes didn't. Fifa always had the licences and pes 2013 had more licences than any other pes ever made.

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    BiffyLioneye
    9th September 2013 at 8:05am

    Originally Posted by hopethisisfree
    But youre in the minority because most people do not like the new direction the game has been going in..

    I'm hoping that pes 14 is a new new direction.. and not a continuation of the old new direction. which even konami admitted had turned many of the old fans away and sales have been halving on a yearly basis.. and that's not because FIFA suddenly got the licences and pes didn't. Fifa always had the licences and pes 2013 had more licences than any other pes ever made.
    So your telling me the majority liked PES 08/09/10 where Konami completely ignored realism and made three arcade games? Please...

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    DS 37
    9th September 2013 at 8:15am

    Originally Posted by BiffyLioneye
    So your telling me the majority liked PES 08/09/10 where Konami completely ignored realism and made three arcade games? Please...
    I think he was meaning that the series has gone downhill,since the old gen ISS days buddy.

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    BiffyLioneye
    9th September 2013 at 8:44am

    Originally Posted by DS 37
    I think he was meaning that the series has gone downhill,since the old gen ISS days buddy.
    Nothing will ever be as good as the PS2 days, but surely anyone can see that the series has improved year on year since 2010. Again I reiterate that Konami have since admitted that we've been playing an enhanced PS2 engine on next gen so far. A new engine and a new start should be causing genuine excitement within the community, and shouldn't be dampened (no pun intended) by the lack of rain.

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    DS 37
    9th September 2013 at 9:29am

    Originally Posted by BiffyLioneye
    So your telling me the majority liked PES 08/09/10 where Konami completely ignored realism and made three arcade games? Please...
    Originally Posted by BiffyLioneye
    Nothing will ever be as good as the PS2 days, but surely anyone can see that the series has improved year on year since 2010. Again I reiterate that Konami have since admitted that we've been playing an enhanced PS2 engine on next gen so far. A new engine and a new start should be causing genuine excitement within the community, and shouldn't be dampened (no pun intended) by the lack of rain.
    Yeh i agree that it has gotten better,since 2008.
    But I think there were(and maybe still are?)some fundamental flaws in the game,which havent been properly addressed the past few years.
    Having said that,Im generally optimistic about the new game.
    Got high hopes.
    I think they really had to look at the keepers,referees,online modes and the game AI in general.
    As they have all been abysmal,and havent been properly done at all in the current generation.
    So im hoping the new engine has fixed these things once and for all.

    PS;I had a few games of Fifa 13 last night,and I have to say I do think it was the superior game last year.

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    BiffyLioneye
    9th September 2013 at 9:44am

    Originally Posted by DS 37
    Yeh i agree that it has gotten better,since 2008.
    But I think there were(and maybe still are?)some fundamental flaws in the game,which havent been properly addressed the past few years.
    Having said that,Im generally optimistic about the new game.
    Got high hopes.
    I think they really had to look at the keepers,referees,online modes and the game AI in general.
    As they have all been abysmal,and havent been properly done at all in the current generation.
    So im hoping the new engine has fixed these things once and for all.

    PS;I had a few games of Fifa 13 last night,and I have to say I do think it was the superior game last year.
    Oh I completely agree about the fundamental flaws, mainly keepers and cursor switching for me, that haven't been properly addressed.

    As for FIFA I just don't find the same level of enjoyment I do when I play PES. For me it's too simplistic and I genuinely believe the fact everything's licensed glosses over alot of the problems.

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    ellisdee
    9th September 2013 at 1:00pm

    Originally Posted by 99doogs
    no, im with you. I think its hilarious seeing people freak out and act like its the end of the world over this nonsense when just a few days prior everyone was saying it was the best PES ever in history ridiculous. Im really excited by being able to change teams in ML, managing NT's, brand new edit mode, Copa Sudamericana + Recopa, Chilean League + Argentinian League and South American ML



    the Copa Sudamericana + Recopa were confirmed weeks ago, maybe more then a month ago

    Just seen this page with the official game modes for PES 14 and there is no Sudamericana or recopa in this.So would it be right to think that this is exclusive for the South Americans like the official J Leagues are for the Japs??

    http://www.onlyproevolutions.com/201...-included.html

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    99doogs
    9th September 2013 at 3:47pm

    no man, its already been confirmed everywhere they are in ML like the europa league was up until now.

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    ellisdee
    9th September 2013 at 6:23pm

    Originally Posted by 99doogs
    no man, its already been confirmed everywhere they are in ML like the europa league was up until now.
    So can you tell me why they don't feature on the PES 2014 games mode list http://www.onlyproevolutions.com/201...ed.htmlbecause surely it would have featured on that along with the CL,EL,ACL and the Copa Liberatadores.

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    bigchap amor
    9th September 2013 at 6:39pm

    Originally Posted by Patrick73
    Could not understand a word of that!
    pro evoulution soccer players need to calm down pes2014 is ready to kick fifas ass the goalkeepers in 2013 are more realistic than previous versions.The other night i was playing pes2013 with my older brother i struck a shot wasnt that dangerous then it deflected off the goalkeeper hit the goalkeeper on the belly then off his left testicle and went passed the line for a goal , fifas forever has been too cartoony for me every
    fifa feels and plays the same been a pes player of the game for life and pes2014 ready to out sell and out play fifa for definitely keep the faith everyone much love walk on pes players of the game

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    hopethisisfree
    9th September 2013 at 8:20pm

    Both Fifa 2013 and PES 2013 are very similar.

    The keepers are slightly better on FIFA imo.. (human ones anyway) Pes keepers don't seem to be able to handle diagonals very well. They have no sense of anticipation.

    Pes keepers are more likely to save impossible and let in the simple regularly. Pes keepers are much more likely to parry it to an attacker accidentally on purpose.. Its pretty much the only way the AI can score. Although Saying that its probably equal. Pes keepers seem intent on purposely creating unnecessary corners.

    Even if you can argue that PES keepers are better its marginal at best..

    Both games are nigh on identical in pretty much every way lately.. Not one has a stand out difference anymore.. except fifa has all the licences.. still, like it always had. And if I'm honest with myself has a slight edge pretty much everywhere on the pitch.. Which I never thought I'd hear myself say a few years ago..

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    chimaira1967
    12th September 2013 at 8:11am

    seems the att/def levels have been removed as well. ie all out att, attack, normal, defend, all out defend

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    BerbasNo1Fan
    12th September 2013 at 8:14am

    Originally Posted by ellisdee
    So can you tell me why they don't feature on the PES 2014 games mode list http://www.onlyproevolutions.com/201...ed.htmlbecause surely it would have featured on that along with the CL,EL,ACL and the Copa Liberatadores.
    If they're only in ML they wouldn't be on the game modes list, because they're part of the ML game mode, not individual game modes

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    ellisdee
    12th September 2013 at 6:14pm

    Originally Posted by BerbasNo1Fan
    If they're only in ML they wouldn't be on the game modes list, because they're part of the ML game mode, not individual game modes
    Cheers man I thought Konami would've mentioned it somewhere on that list,or if not have some sort of explanation with the list.Which only leads to me to believe that it won't be there this year.

    It would have been good if it had been though because I could have had a Master League in Europe and another in South America.But not to worry with the new things they've added this year,I still think i'll end up getting PES 14 after i've finished with 13.

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    Dee
    12th September 2013 at 7:57pm

    For those disappointed by the omission of rain............you should see the debacle of how it has been implemented in FIFA14!! Absolutely dire!!

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    bigcliff2
    16th September 2013 at 12:34pm

    Hi there

    Been ages since I played PES, was 2009 version I think. Used to be a stalwart back in the day on the PS2, buying the game on day of release, changing all the names myself and that. Epic stuff. Anyway, have been doing other things the past few years, lost interest in all that, but for some reason I'm getting that bug again.

    So, what's actually missing this year then? It's just the Premier League stuff and some Portugese teams? Everything else is all proper, inclduing player names and kits, etc?

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    AngusCP
    16th September 2013 at 12:44pm

    Originally Posted by bigcliff2
    Hi there

    Been ages since I played PES, was 2009 version I think. Used to be a stalwart back in the day on the PS2, buying the game on day of release, changing all the names myself and that. Epic stuff. Anyway, have been doing other things the past few years, lost interest in all that, but for some reason I'm getting that bug again.

    So, what's actually missing this year then? It's just the Premier League stuff and some Portugese teams? Everything else is all proper, inclduing player names and kits, etc?
    Premier league isn't missing, neither is Portuguese league, they just have some teams with fake kits and names. They can all be downloaded though, kits, names, players etc.

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    bigcliff2
    16th September 2013 at 12:58pm

    Originally Posted by AngusCP
    Premier league isn't missing, neither is Portuguese league, they just have some teams with fake kits and names. They can all be downloaded though, kits, names, players etc.
    Ah yes, I remember now. Stuck in the past there with the PS2 mentality. Last time I downloaded some stuff I think on to a USB drive - is that right?

    Seems like a shed load of national teams compared to what I remember, espeically ones outside Europe. Are they all with correct names and kits, etc?

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    AngusCP
    16th September 2013 at 5:07pm

    Originally Posted by bigcliff2
    Originally Posted by AngusCP
    Premier league isn't missing, neither is Portuguese league, they just have some teams with fake kits and names. They can all be downloaded though, kits, names, players etc.
    Ah yes, I remember now. Stuck in the past there with the PS2 mentality. Last time I downloaded some stuff I think on to a USB drive - is that right?

    Seems like a shed load of national teams compared to what I remember, espeically ones outside Europe. Are they all with correct names and kits, etc?
    No there are national teams with fake players and kits, but again, you can download them. The major national teams are correct though.

    All you need is a USB to get the correct stuff on your game. Onlyproevolutions.com have one of the best downloads for PS3 and Xbox.

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    bigcliff2
    17th September 2013 at 8:36am

    Originally Posted by AngusCP
    No there are national teams with fake players and kits, but again, you can download them. The major national teams are correct though.

    All you need is a USB to get the correct stuff on your game. Onlyproevolutions.com have one of the best downloads for PS3 and Xbox.
    Cool, thanks for that, will have a look when I get the game, cheers

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    YBNB
    17th September 2013 at 9:17am

    Originally Posted by AngusCP
    No there are national teams with fake players and kits, but again, you can download them. The major national teams are correct though.

    All you need is a USB to get the correct stuff on your game. Onlyproevolutions.com have one of the best downloads for PS3 and Xbox.
    Can you tell us, is this free, or does it cost money?

What do you think?

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